Showing posts with label Justice Kennedy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Justice Kennedy. Show all posts

Monday, July 6, 2015

Judge Posner's argument against polygamy also works against same-sex marriage

Polygamy has been a hot topic in the aftermath of the Supreme Court's finding a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. Indeed, Chief Justice Roberts argued in his dissent that most of Justice Kennedy's arguments apply just as strongly in favor of a right to plural marriage:
It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage. If “[t]here is dignity in the bond between two men or two women who seek to marry and in their autonomy to make such profound choices,” why would there be any less dignity in the bond between three people who, in exercising their autonomy, seek to make the profound choice to marry? If a same-sex couple has the constitutional right to marry because their children would otherwise “suffer the stigma of knowing their families are somehow lesser,” why wouldn’t the same reasoning apply to a family of three or more persons raising children? If not having the opportunity to marry “serves to disrespect and subordinate” gay and lesbian couples, why wouldn’t the same “imposition of this disability” serve to disrespect and subordinate people who find fulfillment in polyamorous relationships? 
(citations removed for clarity)

And the argument for a right to plural marriage isn't just a gotcha advanced by bitter conservatives. Leftist blogger Freddie deBoer and left-libertarian blogger Will Wilkinson both jumped on the bandwagon, arguing that there should be a right to plural marriage.

In typically idiosyncratic fashion, Judge Posner has come up with an argument that he thinks dispatches this plural marriage stuff:
[T]he chief justice ... suggests that if gay marriage is allowed, so must be polygamy. He ignores the fact that polygamy imposes real costs, by reducing the number of marriageable women. Suppose a society contains 100 men and 100 women, but the five wealthiest men have a total of 50 wives. That leaves 95 men to compete for only 50 marriageable women.
Posner's argument is that a policy that would create an excess of unmarried men imposes a real cost on society, and therefore is certainly not required. In other words, this is at least a rational basis for a ban on plural marriage.

I see a number of problems with this argument. From a legal perspective, it is essentially frivolous because it has nothing to do with the reasoning of Justice Kennedy's opinion, which is based on liberty and equality, not economics or utilitarianism.

But, more subtly, it could just as easily be used to construct a rational basis for a ban on same-sex marriage, at least if it's plausible that there would be more homosexual women than homosexual men. Consider Posner's society of 100 men and 100 women, but where 6% of the men and 10% of the women are gay. If same-sex marriage is allowed, the 6 gay men and the 10 gay women pair up. That leaves 94 straight men fighting over 90 "marriageable" straight women. We've got four extra, lonely men. This counts as a "real cost" in Judge Posner's world.

And, to the best of my understanding, it is in fact true that women are more likely to identify as LGBT:

The gap is even bigger if you just look at younger people, who have grown up in a society much more tolerant to homosexuality and thus might reasonably be expected to be more honest about, or even aware of, their sexual orientation:


If you do the math, you can construct an argument that permitting same-sex marriage could leave millions of American men with no potential spouse:

1) According to the 2010 census, there were approximately 41.6 million men and 41.3 million women between the ages of 20 and 39. (So you'll notice that we start with a problem.)

2) Using the more extreme figure of 8.3 percent LGBT females and 4.6 percent LGBT males, we are left with 37,872,000 million "marriageable" straight women for 39,686,000 straight men to fight over. That's 1,814,000 extra, "unmarriable" men -- over 4 percent of the prime-age male population!***

Thus, based on Judge Posner's reasoning, we have found the "real costs" of same-sex marriage, and constructed a rational basis to require that marriage remain a one-man, one-woman institution.

Just to be crystal clear, I don't actually think this hocus pocus is a good argument against same-sex marriage. But all the reasons that make it a bad argument against same-sex marriage make it an equally bad argument against plural marriage.

***Totally weird coincidence: there are about 2,000,000 American men in prison right now.

Monday, March 26, 2012

Obamacare oral argument at the Supreme Court

UPDATE DAY 2:  The transcript of day 2 of the oral argument is here.  Justice Thomas did not speak.  Pages 41 and 87 of the transcript are where Justice Scalia makes jokes that make people laugh.  So, Justice Scalia doubled his laugh total from day 1.  On page 88, Justice Breyer gets into the act and makes a joke.  For my money, Justice Kagen steals the show with an amusing bit of self-deprecation on page 90. 


ORIGINAL POST:
The Supreme Court posted the transcript of the first day of the oral argument about whether Obamacare, to use a word Mr. Torvik likes, is constitutional.  The transcript is here. The Reader(s) of Thursday's post about Justice Thomas may be interested to know that Justice Thomas's silent streak remains alive and well.

Also alive and well is Justice Scalia's apparent campaign to get a laugh at every oral argument.  On pages 15-16 of the transcript, Justice Scalia tried to get a laugh by pointing out that federal court judges are stupid.  The justices were asking questions about what particular rule may, or may not, give them jurisdiction to hear the case.    Justice Scalia said,
what's going to happen is you're going to have an intelligent federal court deciding whether you are going to make an exception. And there will be no parade of horribles because all federal courts are intelligent.
Note that the transcript does not contain the word "laughter" after Justice Scalia's observation.  From this, I take it that this joke went over like a lead balloon.  Perhaps the joke went over poorly because people don't know whether laughing about lower court judges is appropriate at the Supreme Court.

Justice Kennedy, possibly unhappy that the halls of the Supreme Court were not ringing with laughter, then made a joke and got a laugh on page 36 of the transcript.  Justice Ginsberg was asking Solicitor General Donald Verrilli about the government's interpretation of the Anti-Injunction Act when Justice Kennedy cut in,
JUSTICE GINSBURG: So -- so, you agree that we would not -- if we agree with you about the correct interpretation of the statute, we need not decide the jurisdiction.
GENERAL VERRILLI: There would be no reason to decide the jurisdictional issue. 
JUSTICE KENNEDY: Don't you want to know the answer?
(Laughter.) 
Justice Scalia, possibly not wishing to be outdone, then made another run at getting a laugh on page 40. The justices were asking the solicitor general whether the injuction at issue in a previous case was an injunction prohibiting the government from collecting a tax or if it was an injunction of the taxpayer preventing them from paying the tax. The exchange goes:
GENERAL VERRILLI: Well, in fairness, Justice Breyer, the United States did intervene in the -- in the Davis case and was a party, and so -- not as far as I'd like, I guess, is the answer.
JUSTICE SCALIA: Don't do it again, because I think that goes too far. I don't think that's restraining the collection of a tax. It's restraining the payment of a tax. (Laughter.)
GENERAL VERRILLI: Well - 
JUSTICE SCALIA: You don't want to let that bone go, right?
I think we can all agree that jokes like these make it pretty clear that Justices Kennedy and Scalia should curtail their plan to hit the road and become a comedy duo in the tradition of Rowan and Martin.  The jokes might also be support for the idea that lawyers are simply not very funny.